Curse

Coloneh · Oct 24, 2007, 08:57 PM // 20:57

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Originally Posted by Sakura Az

i find that when i carry a rez i don't need it, but the moment i switch it out for soemthing else i find i needed the rez that next mission.

qft. this happens all the time.

MagmaRed · Oct 24, 2007, 10:07 PM // 22:07

When and how to rez as a Monk:

1) When the party is all dead, except for you. Rebirth. This allows you to move people out of enemy areas, and the team to regroup.

2) Everything that you were fighting is dead. Any rez will do.

3) During combat - this is a tough one, read it all please.
a) Make sure NOBODY alive will need healing for the time you will be
casting a rez. This typically means you have a second Monk to cover
your cast time.
b) Use Healers Boon or Holy Haste. This reduces the cast time GREATLY,
allowing you to make sure no others die.
c) Use Resurrection Chant or Renew Life ONLY. These are the only 2
spells that will provide the person with enough health to not be killed
instantly, and enough energy to be helpful to the team.
d) Nobody else alive has a hard rez, or an unused Sig. If someone else is
alive and has a rez, they should be the one bringing others up.
e) CALL THE REZ. This way the other Monk (if there is one) knows they
are alone in keeping people alive, and the person being rezed knows
they will be up, and can plan for action.
f) Rez priority targets first. If a Monk is down, they come up first.
Outside of that, you have to know who is more important to your team
at that time. Need aggro control, then get a tank up. Need damage,
rez the Ele. Know what is needed, and who provides it.

Never rez as a Monk when your healing/protection is still needed. If aggro is managed, and enough of the enemy is dead, go ahead and rez, but only if the team can last for the duration of your cast time. If your cast time is MORE than 3 seconds, don't rez.

Now, a Monk for PvE should always have a rez when joining PUGs. Since you don't know the people you will be playing with, anything can happen. If you are playing with friends or guildmates that you know well, you can drop the rez for a skill that may be more beneficial. HOWEVER, any time you do not take a rez, make sure your team knows you do not have one. If you do not take a rez, you better not be the last one standing.

isamu kurosawa · Oct 24, 2007, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

When and how to rez as a Monk:

1) When the party is all dead, except for you. Rebirth. This allows you to move people out of enemy areas, and the team to regroup.

2) Everything that you were fighting is dead. Any rez will do.

3) During combat - this is a tough one, read it all please.
a) Make sure NOBODY alive will need healing for the time you will be
casting a rez. This typically means you have a second Monk to cover
your cast time.
b) Use Healers Boon or Holy Haste. This reduces the cast time GREATLY,
allowing you to make sure no others die.
c) Use Resurrection Chant or Renew Life ONLY. These are the only 2
spells that will provide the person with enough health to not be killed
instantly, and enough energy to be helpful to the team.
d) Nobody else alive has a hard rez, or an unused Sig. If someone else is
alive and has a rez, they should be the one bringing others up.
e) CALL THE REZ. This way the other Monk (if there is one) knows they
are alone in keeping people alive, and the person being rezed knows
they will be up, and can plan for action.
f) Rez priority targets first. If a Monk is down, they come up first.
Outside of that, you have to know who is more important to your team
at that time. Need aggro control, then get a tank up. Need damage,
rez the Ele. Know what is needed, and who provides it.

Never rez as a Monk when your healing/protection is still needed. If aggro is managed, and enough of the enemy is dead, go ahead and rez, but only if the team can last for the duration of your cast time. If your cast time is MORE than 3 seconds, don't rez.

Now, a Monk for PvE should always have a rez when joining PUGs. Since you don't know the people you will be playing with, anything can happen. If you are playing with friends or guildmates that you know well, you can drop the rez for a skill that may be more beneficial. HOWEVER, any time you do not take a rez, make sure your team knows you do not have one. If you do not take a rez, you better not be the last one standing.

1. if your team all died except you, whats to say it won't happen again? find a better team.

2. someone else can do it.

3.If someone died during combat then the team will need the monks to continue healing, combat ressing should be done by either a mesmer using res chant or another profession using a res signet or death pact signet. Yuo should then take at least one mes with chant or any other profession with/Rt and DP sig.
Paragons can also res if they already have the energy/adren to use what supporting skills they took, as many are shouts they can res and buff at the asme time.

MagmaRed · Oct 25, 2007, 12:44 AM // 00:44

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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

1. if your team all died except you, whats to say it won't happen again? find a better team.

2. someone else can do it.

3.If someone died during combat then the team will need the monks to continue healing, combat ressing should be done by either a mesmer using res chant or another profession using a res signet or death pact signet. Yuo should then take at least one mes with chant or any other profession with/Rt and DP sig.
Paragons can also res if they already have the energy/adren to use what supporting skills they took, as many are shouts they can res and buff at the asme time.

You always PUG with perfect team composition? PUGs I have been in rarely end up with people that have the secondary you want, or the skills you want. Me/N is quite common, so no Fast Casting Rez Chant. Not all players have /Rt available, or if they do, have Death Pact. In fact, most PUGs are lucky to take a decent composition of classes, much less skills. Since PUGs are typically average, at best, a Monk should plan on doing things a 'perfect' team won't need. You describe a guild/alliance team, not a PUG.

..L.. · Oct 25, 2007, 01:02 AM // 01:02

Monks what is that is that a playable proffesion, impossible I havent seen a real monk in years lest it be a hero or a henchie. And as far as I know they all carry res.

isamu kurosawa · Oct 25, 2007, 10:58 AM // 10:58

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

You always PUG with perfect team composition? PUGs I have been in rarely end up with people that have the secondary you want, or the skills you want. Me/N is quite common, so no Fast Casting Rez Chant. Not all players have /Rt available, or if they do, have Death Pact. In fact, most PUGs are lucky to take a decent composition of classes, much less skills. Since PUGs are typically average, at best, a Monk should plan on doing things a 'perfect' team won't need. You describe a guild/alliance team, not a PUG.

Whenever i do PUG i'm the one forming the team. I Only accept members i want.

the_jos · Oct 25, 2007, 11:38 AM // 11:38

In PUG PvE , I expect 8/8 with some kind of res.
When a player does not use secondary attibute skills, I expect a hard res.

About combat res.
Preferred way is by non-healers, but that's not always possible.
When I play monk, I use a hybrid prot with GoLE and rebirth about 80% of the time.
As long as the team is safe and even on low energy it's GoLE -> Swap to negative set -> Rebirth (called) -> Swap to normal energy set -> cast whatever is needed (free or almost free because of GoLE).

In organised teams, things are different.
One could use a more PvP approach, where the monks don't take res.
If those teams needs a monk to res, they better make a new team build

elektra_lucia · Oct 25, 2007, 01:22 PM // 13:22

As rebirth takes all energy anyway, why would you cast GoLE before using it? You'd be better to go negative energy set (and you should easily have 10 energy remaining, in negative energy set - in PVE) -> Rebirth > normal energy set -> GoLE -> Weapon set with the correct attributes for what spell you will be using -> So on :P.

Though, taking rebirth is just dumb.
Ressing in the middle of a battle is dumb.

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b) Use Healers Boon or Holy Haste. This reduces the cast time GREATLY,
allowing you to make sure no others die.

LOL.

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Use Resurrection Chant or Renew Life ONLY. These are the only 2
spells that will provide the person with enough health to not be killed
instantly, and enough energy to be helpful to the team.

LOL

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Energy isn't a problem, you should switch to low energy set before you die, duh.

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When the party is all dead, except for you. Rebirth. This allows you to move people out of enemy areas, and the team to regroup.

If you're the only one standing, something went more than just wrong. Should /resign.

This thread is all just garbage. The simple answer to the guys question

MONKS SHOULD NOT CARRY A RES, ANY FORM OF RES, EVER.

moko · Oct 25, 2007, 02:29 PM // 14:29

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

MONKS SHOULD NOT CARRY A RES, ANY FORM OF RES, EVER.

smiters.

HAAAAAAAAH!
.......

bryann380 · Oct 25, 2007, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

MONKS SHOULD NOT CARRY A RES, ANY FORM OF RES, EVER.

Speak for yourself. Besides, you forgot to add the words 'in my opinion', which is exactly what you're making. If you don't like bringing a rez, then don't. But don't pretend to be an expert on monking and tell us what we should and should not do. Although I will agree that rezzing during a fight is not a good idea, which is not what the OP was asking about to begin with.

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Something unexpected should not happen in PVE.

Maybe to you but it DOES happen to people every now and then, whether you want to admit it or not.

Windf0rce · Oct 25, 2007, 03:14 PM // 15:14

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

If you're the only one standing, something went more than just wrong. Should /resign.

This thread is all just garbage. The simple answer to the guys question

MONKS SHOULD NOT CARRY A RES, ANY FORM OF RES, EVER.

Your opinion is quite all-or-nothing!

I nearly always play with PUG's because I don't like Heroes/Hench (heck, it's a multiPLAYER game, I like playing with humans), and I don't belong to a guild that has people I can play regularly with, either.

So I play with PUG's quite often and I have saved the team numerous times from 7-member wipes with Rebirth or whatever 'Rez' I had. A few times it happened during missions that we managed to still win and with bonus (including Hell's Precipice and areas like FoW more than once).

Conclusion it comes down to personal style (I don't really feel I do worse by having 7 skills instead of 8, so there's plenty room for a rez), and of course by availability of guild members and friends to play with. If I had a pro-team of well cordinated members, indeed I probably would not need to carry rez on a Monk, but knowing things can go wrong in a PUG, the best Monk is the prepared one.

Age · Oct 25, 2007, 04:56 PM // 16:56

I would just like to point out to all those criticizing my use of English or writing that is getting very personal.Did you ever read the board rules before signing on. It doesn't appear to be if you did you wouldn't start coming on and personally attacking me which goes against all forum rules on any board even the the one I am an Admin.The only person I will report this to will possibly be Indie if I go ahead with or TS.

This is game and game only so don't take it like real life being serious well it isn't if you can't post nicely then don't post at all.I would have to say this if the farming forum didn't exist that what we would be using this forum for like other Monk Forums on other boards.That was mistake in my opinion.We should be able to talk Monk farming build here and strategies.

To those who said I would be bad I bet you would have rage quitters on you or yourself in the first 10 min. of a mission if things were going bad you would quit.Then if there was wipe and you were still alive everyone is going to blame you and it would ultimately be your fault for the end of the mission especially if you were 90% and near the end.I would even go to say it was your fault for the failer of the mission.

It is even expected for Monks in RA and possibly TA to take res. getting back to PVE here .What would you say if you don't bring a res and the whole party decided if you won't we won't either.I have seen a lot of Elementalist bar and MM Necromancers with no res on them.This was even talked about in The Riverside In should a Monk carry a res in PvE the census was overwhelmingly Yes.

So to the ppl like elektra_lucia are wrong.

Don't Forget this is The CampFire where we talk PVEhere not PvP if you want to talk about that go back to The Gladiator forum.

arcady · Oct 25, 2007, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

1. if your team all died except you, whats to say it won't happen again? find a better team.

PUG last night. Entire team but me and one elementalist died as a result of the runners in Moddok Crevace getting away (We had Zhed and Gwen on snare builds, but Zhed managed to snare himself, or so it seemed, and took a lazy stroll picking flowers on his way to the runner, even my mini-pet outran him...).

So suddenly we had half the entire instance aggro'd on us, and we we split down the middle due to a plan to chase each runner and stop them that went south on us.

Post fight, I rez'd everyone, and we went on, minus one rage quiter, and completed the mission with all the bonus' but that one. And this was with DP on most of the group, and thanks to Dunkoro (needed for mission bonus) a few people had double DP...

It was a good group, we just had one tactical blunder.

I've also been in a mission where after multiple rez's half the group was 60%DP, and we still finished with bonus.

For every rule there are exceptions.

I have also combat rez'd at times. Particularly when I make the judgement call that without that character back in the fight it will be a wipe, and the group can spare me for a moment. If I prot right, then there are regular cycles where I can get away for a few seconds. I usually use those to let my energy go up, but if I have to... and I feel it is the right call at that moment, I will combat rez. It is not the norm, but it is a valid exception some of the time.

Pick Me · Oct 25, 2007, 05:18 PM // 17:18

Everyone has a right to their own opinion, regardless of whether other people think they are right or wrong. There is no "true" right or wrong answer to this question as opinions are points of view. Even if 90% of the population said monks should carry a rez, doesn't mean they are 100% right.

I've said, monks should carry a rez, but I never said they had to use them.

In a 4 man uber team in Fort Ranik mission in normal mode (this means all 4 humans are lvl 20 with best armor, all skills availalbe, best weapons, etc). A monk should not need to carry a rez. In a solo monk quest, mission, or whatever, a monk doesn't need to carry a rez. In a random PUG a monk should carry a rez, why? Because not everyone is a master of this game, so not everyone may understand the dos and don'ts of certain missions. Thus, unexpected results can happen. Even if you tell people, "go for sparks first!", people may not understand or pay attention. If you expect that, then you should have contingioncies for it, right?

If people don't bring rezes, it means I have every right to flee if things are getting bad. I carry a rez, and if I'm the only one, then my safety is priority #1. Get out your candycanes people, if you stay and fight, because I'm going to hide behind this rock until the baddies go away.

elektra_lucia · Oct 25, 2007, 05:53 PM // 17:53

There is what works, what is good, what isn't good. It is a case of fact, mending isn't 'good' not by opinion, but by fact. It doesn't heal much, it can be stripped, it's a waste of energy. Factually so (unless you go 55Farming or something).
The point is, ressing on a monk factually so IS BAD. It isn't a case of opinion, work out the logic. If you have to res your team and you are the only one standing, you failed. Fact. If you are ressing mid battle, you can find three of your team mates dying. Fact.

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Originally Posted by bryann380

Speak for yourself. Besides, you forgot to add the words 'in my opinion', which is exactly what you're making. If you don't like bringing a rez, then don't. But don't pretend to be an expert on monking and tell us what we should and should not do. Although I will agree that rezzing during a fight is not a good idea, which is not what the OP was asking about to begin with.
Maybe to you but it DOES happen to people every now and then, whether you want to admit it or not.

I'm an expert on monking

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I would just like to point out to all those criticizing my use of English or writing that is getting very personal.Did you ever read the board rules before signing on. It doesn't appear to be if you did you wouldn't start coming on and personally attacking me which goes against all forum rules on any board even the the one I am an Admin.The only person I will report this to will possibly be Indie if I go ahead with or TS.
This is game and game only so don't take it like real life being serious well it isn't if you can't post nicely then don't post at all.I would have to say this if the farming forum didn't exist that what we would be using this forum for like other Monk Forums on other boards.That was mistake in my opinion.We should be able to talk Monk farming build here and strategies.
To those who said I would be bad I bet you would have rage quitters on you or yourself in the first 10 min. of a mission if things were going bad you would quit.Then if there was wipe and you were still alive everyone is going to blame you and it would ultimately be your fault for the end of the mission especially if you were 90% and near the end.I would even go to say it was your fault for the failer of the mission.
It is even expected for Monks in RA and possibly TA to take res. getting back to PVE here .What would you say if you don't bring a res and the whole party decided if you won't we won't either.I have seen a lot of Elementalist bar and MM Necromancers with no res on them.This was even talked about in The Riverside In should a Monk carry a res in PvE the census was overwhelmingly Yes.
So to the ppl like elektra_lucia are wrong.
Don't Forget this is The CampFire where we talk PVEhere not PvP if you want to talk about that go back to The Gladiator forum.

I was talking about PVE. You brought up PVP by saying ressing in PVE is different to GVG because it is not predictable. You said that before I think I even posted on this thread. You also got personal before me. You should also not bring a res in TA or RA on a monk.
You've been wrong in everything you said.
As for the rules, it states to speak english. Try it sometime?
You ask if I have read what you have written, but when you type absolute garbage, it is very hard to understand what you mean sometimes. When I do understand it, I am overwhelmed by the illogical comments that I find it hard to reply normally.

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Even if 90% of the population said monks should carry a rez, doesn't mean they are 100% right.

100% of good monks will say not to bring a res. Sure it doesn't mean they're right, but you might want to find out why they came to that conclusion

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This is game and game only so don't take it like real life being serious

Actually it's a forum and you're being a hypocrite. Thanks.

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It was a good group, we just had one tactical blunder.

It wasn't a good group. Stop kidding yourself. It's no better than being arrogant.

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smiters.

HAAAAAAAAH!
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...They are ele's who had a special potion ffs. XD

Grammar · Oct 25, 2007, 06:03 PM // 18:03

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Originally Posted by JoeKnowMo

Nothing worse than being the last one standing in your pug and not having a rez.

That's called being caught with your pants down.

Like these guys:

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

If a team wipes like that and no one else has rezzes, then chances are the team will fail the mission anyways even if you rebirth all of them. Better to save time and find a new group/H&H.

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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

if your team all died except you, whats to say it won't happen again? find a better team.

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

If you're the only one standing, something went more than just wrong. Should /resign.

LOL! These are the kind of players who do one of three things when your party hits a rough patch:
1. Go out of their way to die and not be the last one standing when the party is in retreat mode, because they don't want to be caught with their pants down.
2. Flame the party and quit
3. Both 1 and 2.

Seriously, are you that poor at monking that you can't handle a sub-optimal party and a little death penalty?

elektra_lucia · Oct 25, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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LOL! These are the kind of players who do one of three things when your party hits a rough patch:

Wrong, because I don't really pug. I don't farm either. I make my money else where (PVP). When I do pug, I enjoy the bad players. It's funny to me. I handle it just fine :P. For going through missions and what not, I'll usually just do it with a friend and heroes.

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1. Go out of their way to die and not be the last one standing when the party is in retreat mode, because they don't want to be caught with their pants down.

Retreat mode in PVE? Uh... You are bad at the game if you have to retreat in PVE.

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2. Flame the party and quit

Nope. Firstly my team wouldn't all die. I think I would phoenix the dead party and duo farm the whole place or finish the mission (if I had brought a friend with me) XD. We're talking about PVE here, not a GVG against War Machine or something, LoL. Generally I don't like to waste my time on bad players though. Nothing up with that =].

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3. Both 1 and 2.

Nope.

Assume more, perhaps you might get something right one-time in your life. I also REALLY hate saying I am good at the game and before this I really have not said it much; however, I am a good monk. A better one than you, fact. So don't waste your time criticizing my skill.

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Seriously, are you that poor at monking

I read your thread here: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10211477 . You clearly have not a f'king clue about monking. It's nice that you so willingly display your ignorance and are willing to learn (I'm not being sarcastic) but to then imply I'm poor at monking? LOL. That's all I can think of.

Age · Oct 25, 2007, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

There is what works, what is good, what isn't good. It is a case of fact, mending isn't 'good' not by opinion, but by fact. It doesn't heal much, it can be stripped, it's a waste of energy. Factually so (unless you go 55Farming or something).
The point is, ressing on a monk factually so IS BAD. It isn't a case of opinion, work out the logic. If you have to res your team and you are the only one standing, you failed. Fact. If you are ressing mid battle, you can find three of your team mates dying. Fact.

I'm an expert on monking

.

I was talking about PVE. You brought up PVP by saying ressing in PVE is different to GVG because it is not predictable. You said that before I think I even posted on this thread. You also got personal before me. You should also not bring a res in TA or RA on a monk.
You've been wrong in everything you said.
As for the rules, it states to speak english. Try it sometime?
You ask if I have read what you have written, but when you type absolute garbage, it is very hard to understand what you mean sometimes. When I do understand it, I am overwhelmed by the illogical comments that I find it hard to reply normally.

100% of good monks will say not to bring a res. Sure it doesn't mean they're right, but you might want to find out why they came to that conclusion

.

Actually it's a forum and you're being a hypocrite. Thanks.

I don't think so and I am on more than dozen forums and when you do talk about my posting it is getting personal.I am a board Admin just like Indie.When I said that PvE in unpredictable it is true as you don't know your fellow party members and how they play unlike PvP you know your guild you practice together all the time and help out in build info.It is more coordinated.The thread in The Riverside Inn was judged by all professions why should a Monk be any special in PVE truth being they aren't.Monks are not special in this game anyone can do protection prayers even a Necro or an Ele. anyone can res.When it comes to healing well I guess Rits can do that more efficiently.This leaves the Monk out except when it comes to suing direct devine favour skills.

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As for the rules, it states to speak english. Try it sometime?

This is not a rule but personal attacks are don't tell me about rules as I said I am Admin.

elektra_lucia · Oct 25, 2007, 06:55 PM // 18:55

Excluding ninety percent of your post as it is garbage - at the start you mention unpredictable. I kind of see what you are saying and it's different to what you said before (you made it sound like the enemy is unpredictable) thanks to you being bad at explaining yourself; however, PVE isn't unpredictable either. You know in PVE your team (if it's a pug) is going to be bad. There's nothing unpredictable about it.

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This is not a rule but personal attacks are don't tell me about rules as I said I am Admin.

Read this:

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Additionally, when one punctuation works instead of 10 (example: ? instead of ?!?!), use one.

Nkah Sennyt · Oct 25, 2007, 07:00 PM // 19:00

Man, I wish people in Campfire could discuss without arguing.